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My guest today is Luis Perez Breva, a successful serial innovator and director of the Innovation Teams program at MIT. Dr. Perez Breva holds degrees in chemical engineering, physics,

business, and artificial intelligence. He's an expert in the process of technology innovation, an entrepreneur, and the author

of Innovating, a doer's manifesto for starting from a hunch, prototyping problems,

scaling up, and learning to be productively wrong.

Dr. Prevrovo, welcome to the show.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

You know, I'd like to start by talking about innovation and jobs in general before we focus on your latest book.

There are a number of people who argue that innovation is in long-term decline.

And I think most notably is the economist Robert Gordon, who in his

book, The Rise and Fall of American Growth, argues that innovation has slowed dramatically in the last

40 to 50 years or so. And that period of around 1870 to 1970 was kind of an unusual time of these sort of one-off huge innovations that,

most notably, I'd say, electricity and automobiles, and that we shouldn't expect to see

anything like that again anytime soon. Would you agree with that?

So I always have a bit of a problem with this kind of analysis in kind side because they tend to throw strange surprises.

So let me just say, for instance, there's lots of things that have happened since 1970 that are pretty dramatic.

The Internet, e-commerce, artificial intelligence may blossom in a few years, and I believe

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