Reason and rational thinking will help you climb the mountain.

You know, it'll take you from one step to the next step to the next step to the next step.

But it's only faith that will give you the courage and give you the power to jump off the mountain and fly.

That's Mischa Shubali and this is the Retro podcast.

The Rich Roll Podcast.

Greetings, fans of the podcast. I'm Rich Roll. I am your host. Can you hear that siren out there? That can mean only one thing.

I'm in New York City and I'm going to tell you all about that in a minute. But first, I just want to thank everybody for tuning in today.

I appreciate your support. Thank you so much to everybody who has shared the show across all your social media platforms at the water cooler and actually one on one.

Inter personally, that's the best way, right? Also, thank you so much to everybody who has made a habit of using the Amazon banner at at Rich Roll.com for all your Amazon purchases.

Doesn't cost you a cent extra. So click through the banner ad on any of the episode pages of Rich Roll.com takes it to Amazon by which you're going to buy Amazon kicks us some loose commission change from its copious coffers.

And that allows me to continue doing what I do, which is to bring you each week an amazing conversation with a thought leader.

The best and the brightest across all categories of health, wellness, diet, nutrition, art, creativity, the writing process in the case of today's guest, entrepreneurship, spirituality, mindfulness, meditation, all the good stuff.

And the idea, of course, is to help all of us unlock and unleash our best most authentic selves. And this week, I'm really excited to be back with a writer, a writer in the truest real sense, a musician, ultra runner, and my good friend friend in the little brother sense.

Michigan, Shubali for another amazing conversation and unprecedented seven appearance on the podcast, which I can't believe. And although I know I always say this, this one just might be our best conversation yet.

I've got a good reason to have them back on the show and I'm going to get into that in a second, but first.

Alright, you guys, I'm in New York City, super excited to be here. It's spring weather. It's actually like 60 degrees out today.

Insane, right? I get so much energy from the vitality of this place. It's like a battery. It just recharges me on every level. I just love being out in the street, interacting with people and just soaking up the ambiance and the vitality and the energy that this place has to offer.

It's amazing. I went on a two and a half hour run this morning. I feel great. I hear all the sirens and the traffic outside. You can probably hear that.

If you hear a buzz, that is the refrigerator in my hotel room that I tried to turn off and cannot figure out how to do it. So I apologize for that. In addition, my little digital audio recorder crapped out this morning.

And right as I was about to record this introduction, I had to go down to guitar center and find a replacement. They didn't have the same one. I had to get a different one. I don't really know how to use it. So I'm unsure about the quality level of this introduction.

So if it's a little off kilter, my apologies, I'm doing the best that I can. I was up at Vassar the other day. I gave a great talk to the students there. And I got to spend time with the writing department talking about writing. It was such a privilege. It's a beautiful campus. I really enjoyed it. And it gave me a great excuse to come down into the city afterwards.

See some friends like Mishka today's guest, like Robin Arzon, who I'm going to meet for dinner tomorrow, like John Joseph, who I met for dinner the other day.

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