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This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hello my fellow suffering beings how we doing one of the things I hear all the time from

beginning meditators and actually meditators at all stages is this shit is hard.

It takes a lot of effort.

My guest today, however, holds out a tantalizing proposition.

Effortless mindfulness.

My guest is Locke Kelly, who's an author, psychotherapist,

and non-dual meditation teacher. I'm going to have much more to say about non-duality in a moment.

Lock has a master's degree from both Columbia University and Union Theological Seminary. He has an app called Mindful Glimpses and

he's a very popular teacher over on the Waking Up app run by my close friend

and mentor Sam Harris and speaking of waking up if you go to

waking up.com slash 10% you can get 10% off a subscription to that app which in my

opinion is best in class.

But anyway, back to Lock Kelly.

Two more things to say before we dive into this rangey and fascinating conversation.

First, my brother Matt has become a big fan of Lockocks, so I asked Matt to join me for this interview,

so you'll hear another dude with a very similar voice to mind asking some of the questions.

And second, let me just concede, before we dive in here,

that the subject we're going to explore today,

non-duality, can be a little challenging.

I want to urge you to listen to this conversation

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