I'm

. Hello and welcome to recording the gurus, a special interview edition with Matthew Bryan, the psychologist who is usually here, and I won't be interviewing

him, me, the cognitive pharmacologist of sorts. And with us, two researchers, academics,

that we recently covered their paper on decoding academia. This is Dorsa, Amir and Chaz Firestone. And the people we looked at was his visual perception weird, the Mueller-Laur illusion and the cultural byproduct hypothesis, which we'll talk about a little bit. But hello, Dorsa and Chaz. Thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having us. Thank you so much. And one thing is that normally whenever we try to get

like the bios of people, because they're on academic sites, they're always like a year or two

out of date. So we tend to now just ask people

to briefly introduce themselves because then there will be mistake. So like I think Dorsa,

you're associate professor. I'm a assistant professor. Assistant professor. So, yeah.

But I noticed that was like, I think this year, last year.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm just going to stop my first year.

So I sometimes get introduced on podcasts as like postdoctoral research.

And I'm like, no, that's, that was like each year ago.

But there is a website that says that.

So, yeah, Dorza, maybe you first.

So what's your current position and academic background in general?

Sure, yeah.

So I'm Doris Amir.

I'm an assistant professor of psychology and neuroscience at Duke University in the United States of America.

My background is actually in anthropology. So my PhD and my bachelors are both in anthropology, and I transitioned over to psychology.

So I would describe myself as a developmental psychologist that's anthropologically inclined.

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