This is exactly right.

Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the vicious felonies these

episodes are based on.

These are our stories.

Hello, this is That's Mest Step, an SVU podcast.

I am Lisa and I am Cara and you guys know what our little deal is here.

We talk about an episode of SVU.

We talk about the true crime that it's based on and then we interview a fabulous guest

from the episode.

Yeah, but first we just gab a little bit and breaking news.

I mean, it's not really breaking.

I'm sorry.

You guys know that we record a little bit in advance of when the episodes come out.

So I did just hear this before we started recording, but you guys may have already heard

of it or maybe some of you aren't really in the Twitter verse about where all the

SVU gossip goes down.

But Warren Light, the current showrunner who as we all know ran the show from like season

13 after Neil Bear for many years, then he left, then he came back and he's been running

it for I think season like 21, 22, 23 and he is leaving.

He is leaving the show.

He said that it's been very arduous to produce the show and run the show during COVID and

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