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I'm Jocelyn K. Gly, and this is Hurry Slowly. Today, I'm in conversation with Mickey Kaston.

That we live as individuals makes us extremely weak, extremely weak in terms of being able to create a good life.

Sure, if we have enough privilege, we can compensate for that weakness by buying and buying and buying things and relationships and services.

But it doesn't actually give us rootedness, care, community, wholeness, reverence for life, all the things that make

for real experience of aliveness and flow.

Mickey Kachten is a writer, a teacher, and a facilitator.

She is the co-founder of Bay Area Nonviolent Communication and the initiator of the nonviolent global liberation community,

as well as the author of several books, including spinning threads of radical aliveness, transcending

the legacy of separation in our individual lives, and reweaving our human fabric, working together to create a nonviolent future.

Mickey regularly writes and hosts conversations about facing privilege, overcoming patriarchy, and questioning money.

I'm excited to have Mickey on the show today because I find that as I extend the tendrils of my own thinking about our toxic drive for productivity, further toward the root causes, I'm spending more and more time thinking about capitalism and the extractive mindset that it seeks to embed in all of us.

Mickey has thought deeply about how our reliance on money and exchange more broadly,

and the systemic power differences that limit access to the resources that it creates,

pull us out of relationship with each other and stunt our ability to care for ourselves,

and for one another.

As we look to change the way we engage with the world and relate to each other with new consciousness,

I think she has much wisdom to offer.

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