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Mikhail Zygar: From Glasnost Whiplash to Social-Media Smog

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Russian journalist in exile Mikhail Zygar traces an information system so sealed even Gorbachev couldn't get the facts in The Dark Side of the Earth: Russia's Short-Lived Victory Over Totalitarianism. He draws a straight psychological line from late-Soviet overload to our current tech-firehose, arguing humans don't change much; institutions do (and the Soviet Union didn't have many worthy of the name). Plus: a quote-counting tour through Chris Whipple's Vanity Fair Susie Wiles interviews: "an alcoholic's personality," "conspiracy theorist," "ketamine user," "right-wing absolute zealot."

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0:00.0

It's Tuesday, December 16th, 2025 from Peach Fish Productions.

0:08.0

It's the gist.

0:09.0

I'm Mike Peska.

0:10.0

And there is a shocking two-part piece in Vanity Fair today.

0:14.0

Shocking for a couple reasons.

0:16.0

One, it is the most in-depth interview, a series of interviews conducted over here, with Susie Wiles, who is the most in-depth interview or series of interviews conducted over here with Susie Wiles,

0:23.2

who is the most important person in the Trump administration that you probably don't know about.

0:28.0

She's the chief of staff.

0:29.2

And in these interviews, she says, some shocking things.

0:33.3

Shocking because most of them are true, and many of them are not particularly complementary to the administration.

0:41.5

She, for instance, said that J.D. Vance has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade,

0:46.2

and that Elon Musk is a ketamine user and an odd, duck.

0:51.5

And she says that Russell vote, the budget director, is a right-wing,

0:55.3

absolute zealot. So is she going to get in trouble? Well, for these, probably not.

1:00.3

I don't think President Trump will punish her at all for denigrating Elon Musk. I think

1:05.4

Russell Vote might wear as a point of pride that he's being called a right-wing absolute

1:10.3

zealot. And you know, as far as the

1:12.8

one statement that she said about Mr. Trump that he might not like, Mr. Trump has an alcoholic's

1:19.5

personality. She, as the daughter of an alcoholic, the former NFL player and broadcaster, Pat

1:26.6

Summerall, knows a little bit about this.

1:29.4

And she says that some clinical psychologist that knows one million times more than I do will dispute what I'm going to say.

1:36.9

But high-functioning alcoholics or alcoholics in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink.

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