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🗓️ 1 November 2025
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Mike joins Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola for a rowdy, caffeine-fueled dive into the NBA betting scandal—where marked decks, mobsters, and million-dollar contracts collide. They unpack how legalized sports gambling reopened old mafia doors, what drives athletes to risk it all, and why men chase competition even from the couch. Also: Karine Jean-Pierre's disastrous book tour, testosterone talk, Louis C.K.'s "program," and the curious economics of peeing at stadiums.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show where we sometimes bring you the best of the vault and the best of the week. Well, this was the best of the week. No vault because it was a long interview I did with Nancy Rommelman and Sarah Hepelah on their Smoke Em, if You Got Them, podcast. It's often the best thing I do in any given week. I was told I was the most frequent male guest on their show. What an honor, what a privilege. You should check them out on substacks. Smokin if you got them, it's always a good conversation. You can see the video of me doing that. It's not, we're not going to play the whole Convo. You have to go there to get it, but we'll play a significant portion. And what I'm talking about is something I didn't talk about on the gist. But I did discuss when it broke on the gist list, which is my substack. Do I have to say it? Text Mike to 3377 to sign up. It's behind the paywall on Thursday and Friday. We give it to you free. Taste it on Monday and Tuesday. |
| 0:56.0 | On Wednesday, I do a long written piece, and this week's was about Karene John |
| 1:00.4 | Pierre. |
| 1:01.4 | People just love her as a character. |
| 1:04.3 | But back to Smoke him if you got him. |
| 1:05.9 | I was talking about this NBA betting scandal, if you don't know. |
| 1:09.5 | It includes players throwing games, players sitting in on Gambino and Lucchasey and |
| 1:14.7 | Bonano-controlled, fixed and rigged poker games. |
| 1:19.0 | Guy named Chauncey Billups, who and I covered sports. |
| 1:21.7 | I always loved talking to Chauncey Billups, just really lovely affable guy, I guess so |
| 1:26.5 | lovely that he'd lure you into a fixed card game, |
| 1:29.8 | allegedly, according to the FBI, which used to mean a lot. |
| 1:33.1 | But now, you know, Cash Patel is doing the press conferences. |
| 1:35.7 | So maybe he's, maybe Chonzie's totally innocent. |
| 1:39.0 | The Smogam, if you got him, podcast is very good if you're not entirely read in on these issues. |
| 1:44.7 | It's a good orientation of the social issues involved, and it's not just that. |
| 1:48.9 | We talk a little bit about if women control the institutions, what does that mean for the |
| 1:53.9 | world? |
| 1:54.4 | We talk a little bit about Andrew Cuomo, who sometimes gets called Mario Cuomo. |
| 1:58.6 | I do that, too, the little first name, Inversion. Or maybe |
| 2:02.2 | Sarah didn't mean the governor. Maybe she meant the bridge. Anyway, smoke him if you got him. |
| 2:08.1 | And Mike Peska, the most frequent male guest on that estimable substack podcast. Up next. |
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