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Defender, and recovering FBI the Kyle Serafin show. It is Friday, it's May the 12th. I have with me Mike Bens. He is a former deputy assistant secretary at the United States State Department.

He is the founder of the Freedom, I'm sorry, this is the foundation for freedom online.

He is an incredibly busy guy.

He's running around in between a move.

He happens to be in Austin, so I brought him into the studio here.

This is our first in studio interview, and he's also kind of a wild man. We've done a bunch of Twitter spaces together and every single time I hear Mike go it's like an explosion of knowledge on people. So I'm just figuring I'm holding on to the reins of a wild Mustang here and trying not to explode your minds as we have kind of an interesting discussion about internet censorship, about the work he does over there, maybe a little bit what he saw at the State Department. My thought is this, we're talking about,

when did it start that you saw, how bad was it, and how bad can it get? That's kind of thing.

Welcome to the show, buddy.

Thank you, Kyle, and we're all learning from you along the way too with all of your

revelations.

It's terrible.

So we got coffee here.

If you are not caffeinated, you need to get caffeinated immediately because this is going to probably,

like you said, push the we get the we get the cups going here already

folks in the live chat. I'll see some of your stuff so thanks so much for joining us

We're excited to have you on here and I don't have a script.

Like why don't you tell people kind of where you came up, where you grew up, how you

ended up as a political appointee at the State Department because that seems like a

relevant piece. I'm gonna have you pull that mic just a little closer if you can.

Yeah, sure thing.

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