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Welcome to part two of our conversation.

This I love so much on page 112. You describe a moment that cracks me up. I tell you, you say I woke one night to find him, Barack, staring at the ceiling. His profile lit by the glow of street lights outside.

He looked vaguely troubled as if he were pondering something deeply personal. Was it our relationship, the loss of his father? Hey, what are you thinking about, I whispered. He turned to look at me. His smile a little sheepish.

Oh, he said I was just thinking about income inequality.

That's my honey. That was Barack, you know. I mean, you know, here's this guy. And at the time I was a young professional. This is when I was coming into my own.

I had a job that paid more than my parents ever made in their lives. I was rolling with bourgeois class. I mean, my friend's own condos. I had a sob, which was a cool car back then.

I don't know what's cool these days, but a sob back in the day. Oh, yeah, I had a sob. And, you know, that was sort of the, that was the next step. Sort of, okay, you get married. You have a lovely home and on and on and on.

And yes, the bigger problems of the world were important, but the more important thing was where you were going in your career. And I talk about Barack meeting some of my friends and how that didn't really play out because he's the serious sort of income inequality.

And my friends are like, I really let us write. You really let us in into the relationship. I mean, down to the proposal and everything. You let us in.

And you also write about some major differences between the two of you when you started out. You say, I understood it was nothing but good intentions. It would leave him to say, I'm on my way.

Or almost home. Oh, gosh.

And for a while, I believe those words. I'd give the girls their nightly bath, but delayed bed time so they could wait up to give their data hug. And then you describe this scene where you'd wait it up. He says, I'm on my way.

He doesn't come. And then you turn out the lights. I could hear them click off the way you wrote it. Those lights click. You went to bed and you were mad.

I was mad.

This was in the time when we married and he was in politics. And you know, I had to go through the struggle that now that I had sort of.

And we've skipped parts where I actually started to swerve and started to shape my own career. But at a point when you get married and you have kids, you know, your whole plan once again gets unended because now your mom.

And I love being a mother. I love being at home with my girls. I was a working mother juggling everything. I still had my careers. I was running a nonprofit organization.

And I went on to have, you know, some wonderfully interesting opportunities and career opportunities. But that reality of when you get married, especially you get married to somebody who has a career that swallows up everything, which is what politics is.

And I was going to talk about the challenges of finding my footing, finding my voice in a very powerful, with a very powerful personality who was Barack Obama, who taught me how to swerve.

But he also, his swerving just sort of, you know, I'm flailing in the wind. And now I've got two kids and I'm trying to hold everything down. And he's traveling back and forth from Washington or Springfield or wherever it was given whatever office he was holding.

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