with Theodore Roosevelt and like going like Wally Stegner was very much like John Wesley Powell. Yeah. Right. So it's like Wally Stegner was the person that sort of led the fucking Sierra Club guy. I can't think of his name right now. But like, well, we should just we should start. I've just been, I've recorded the last like two minutes.

Oh, really?

Yeah. It's a good intro. You want to do your intro now? I just like kind of pressed it because I was like, dude, this is so interesting. Even just for myself, I want to hear this. All right. Really quick. Let's just do the station ID. So we're here. This is yet another conversation celebrating the week of the Ultra Trail Dumont Blanc.

We're here. This is yet another conversation celebrating the week of the Ultra Chil Dumont Blanc.

We're here in our, I guess this is like northern shamany proper studios.

Quick thanks to our partner's neck, Nordegora, Reid, for keeping the lights on here,

making this possible.

Go check all them out in the show notes.

And I'd like to think of

this as sort of a part two to a conversation that we had about a year ago post 2024 coca donna

and i'm joined by michael for steve for it michael how's it going today i'm a little sleepy

but how are you?

You just get in?

No, I've been here for a long time.

Well, I've been in Europe for a long time, but I just... Like all summer?

No, like a week.

Okay.

Yeah.

Not a long time.

A middle amount of time.

I just... I think as I get older, I have a hard time sleeping in strange, frilly places.

Yeah.

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