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American Thought Leaders

Michael Pillsbury: How US Government Agencies Secretly Aided Communist China’s Rise

American Thought Leaders

The Epoch Times

Government, News, Politics

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2022

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

“I fear they’re outsmarting us over and over again,” says China expert Michael Pillsbury, director for Chinese strategy at the Hudson Institute and author of “The Hundred-Year Marathon: China’s Secret Strategy to Replace America as the Global Superpower.”

Pillsbury played a key role in the United States initiating military and intelligence ties with China, starting in the 1980s. Many relationships between Chinese and U.S. agencies have continued to this day, Pillsbury says.

“Some things have been redacted, removed from [‘The Hundred-Year Marathon’]. … The CIA and FBI and DOD felt they’re telling too much about just how deeply involved we were in China,” Pillsbury says.

How did the Chinese communist regime secretly exploit America to fuel its own rise?

“They often refer to the Warring States and the tactics of the Warring States period. … Only one country got to lead the world and that country had to destroy the others or set them against each other or undermine them, steal their technology. There were a variety of techniques that were used [but] almost never war itself. Almost never war itself. It’s the most important lesson.”

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Transcript

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0:00.0

To put this out on global television is really a sign of Xi Jinping's power that even

0:06.1

a former president can be dismissed with like a wave in the hand.

0:09.7

Today I sit down with China expert Michael Pillsbury, director for Chinese Strategy at the Hudson

0:15.4

Institute, an author of The Hundred-Year Marathon, China's secret strategy to replace America

0:21.6

as the global superpower.

0:23.4

Some things have been redacted, removed from the book.

0:26.2

The U.C.I.A. and the U.D. felt telling too much about just how deeply involved we were

0:32.2

in China.

0:33.2

How exactly did the Chinese Communist regime use America to fuel its own rise?

0:38.4

They often referred to warring states, only one country got to lead the world.

0:43.3

And that country had to destroy the others.

0:46.5

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanyi Kelley.

0:52.0

Dr. Michael Pillsbury, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

0:56.0

Thank you very much.

0:57.3

The most recent Chinese Communist Party Congress just ended with some very public theatrics.

1:04.2

The past supreme leader of the Communist Party in China, Hu Jintao, was walked out of the

1:10.8

room in front of the cameras.

1:13.0

A lot of people are speculating about what was going on here, but one thing for sure,

1:16.6

it was very public.

1:17.6

The other thing that's for sure is that it was very public to the West and perhaps to

1:21.7

the Chinese elites, but not necessarily to the Chinese people, which didn't see that

1:25.5

televised event.

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