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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odlots podcast. I'm Joe Wyzantel.

And I'm Tracy Alloway. So Tracy, one topic that we actually don't talk about that much,

that we have a few times is like Wall Street itself. Like we talk about markets,

all different kinds, talk a lot about icons and like theoretical finance, like actual Wall Street,

banking, etc. We probably could talk about it more. I feel like we do quite a few market structure

episodes, but you're right. We don't get so much into, I guess, the experience of actually

working in those markets. No, we don't. And of course, it's an interesting time. I mean,

it's always an interesting time, but so many other banks are doing extraordinarily well. And I feel

like for both of us, our career is post great financial crisis, we like, I think the standard

thing is like each year, it's like, oh, bonuses are down at this bank or trading is down or

and it feels like that at least right now for the moment, it's a very a lot of up eros on Wall Street.

But I do feel like there's a weird dichotomy at the moment in the sense that the banking

and trading results have been excellent and it's definitely boom times for Wall Street. But on the

other hand, a lot of people are expressing unhappiness about the actual job at the moment, right?

You have a lot of younger bankers, especially who just don't seem that into Wall Street at the

moment. No, you know, they all want to go work on crypto. They're, you know, they're probably

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