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Michael Kirk — "RFK Jr.'s Latest Addiction: Attention"

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Mike Pesca

News, Politics, Arts, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Frontline's Michael Kirk discusses The Rise of RFK Jr., charting Kennedy's path from sex and drug addiction to what Kirk calls "an addiction to validation." He describes a man driven by grievance, and details how the alliance between Kennedy and Trump built the so-called "MAHA movement," and why it may collapse under its own contradictions. Plus: a breakdown of how Supreme Court shifts and redistricting could strip representation from Black voters in states like North Carolina and Louisiana.

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It's Tuesday, October 21st, 2025 from Peachfish Productions.

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It's the gist.

0:42.9

I'm Mike Peska.

0:44.1

Big redistricting news, not great news for the Democrats.

0:48.1

So right now, North Carolina, which you might know from such past presidential elections

0:52.7

as the last one and the last one before that as being a pretty close state, the last one, and the last one before that, as being a pretty close state,

0:57.0

also the one before that and the one before that,

0:58.9

pretty close Republican Democrat.

1:00.7

There's a Democratic governor.

1:02.3

I'm not saying that it's 50-50, but it's probably 52-48 Republican-the- Democrat.

1:07.5

So they have 14 congressional seats.

1:10.0

What should the breakdown be Republican to Democrat?

1:12.6

Ideally, 7 to 7.

1:14.4

All right, 8 to 6, I think the Democrats would take.

1:17.3

Well, right now, 10 of the state's 14 congressional seats are controlled by Republicans.

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