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🗓️ 12 August 2022
⏱️ 18 minutes
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What can we learn from the HIV pandemic? We revisit a conversation from a year of living with COVID-19.
Back at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, senior editor, Karen Frillmann was reminded of life in this city in the 1980s. She reached back into the far corners of a closet in her apartment, and dug out a recording that she made decades ago. In this segment, Karen shares parts of that intimate conversation, as an act of remembrance.
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| 0:00.0 | We are living through extreme times, a new dire threat seemingly every month, the heat |
| 0:15.0 | waves and the active shooters, one new COVID strain after another each more infectious than |
| 0:20.4 | the last. |
| 0:21.4 | Now we got monkey pox. |
| 0:23.4 | As our editor Karen Froman put it in a meeting recently, it feels like we're all being |
| 0:28.5 | constantly chaste. |
| 0:31.0 | But truthfully, some communities have faced this kind of strain before. |
| 0:36.0 | Some of us have faced down the worst case scenario and even amid horror, found ways to maintain |
| 0:43.0 | the little joys that, a lot of times, we fought hard to get in the first place. |
| 0:49.0 | Karen has actually seen this up close herself. |
| 0:52.2 | She was here in New York in the early days of the HIV epidemic in the 80s at a time |
| 0:57.5 | when a diagnosis with this mysterious illness was essentially a death sentence. |
| 1:03.8 | One often handed down to young people in the prime of their lives. |
| 1:08.0 | Well, I volunteered for a small agency to go in and to clean and to bring food. |
| 1:16.0 | And so I remember going and meeting this young man. |
| 1:20.0 | His name was John and when I first started to care for him, I felt like I was taking |
| 1:24.8 | care of someone my brother's age. |
| 1:28.2 | And then within a few weeks, I mean, this young man aged like before my eyes and I mean, |
| 1:36.0 | he was gone in three and a half months and it is so frightening to see life just slip |
| 1:43.1 | just slip away. |
| 1:45.2 | And the experience made Karen want to document those lives, not the deaths, but the lives. |
| 1:51.1 | She had a recording she made during that time in a previous episode. |
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