MI6 chief Richard Moore on Ukraine and the future of intelligence gathering
Power Play
POLITICO
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🗓️ 19 July 2023
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
In an exclusive interview for POLITICO's forthcoming podcast Power Play, Richard Moore, chief of the UK's Secret Intelligence Service — MI6 — speaks to Anne McElvoy about how the culture of agencies like MI6 is changing.
Recorded in Prague, a city that shaped the outcome of the Cold War, Moore shares revealing insights into MI6's approach to Russia, China and other threats to the West. Britain's chief spy explains why he believes the West needs to commit to a battle for freedom and against authoritarian regimes akin to the Prague Spring of 1968.
They share a personal conversation about how their experiences of the Cold War (Moore as a rising star of Western intelligence, McElvoy as co-writer of the memoirs of a Soviet bloc spymaster) shaped their thinking on handling threats today. They also discuss the impact of AI on intelligence work and how the culture of agencies like MI6 is beginning to change.
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| 0:00.0 | Now is a time where we are seeing Russians who are totally appalled by what they're seeing done in their name in Ukraine and therefore is a moment where people are looking to come and help us. |
| 0:18.1 | The head of Britain's Foreign Intelligence Service has been known for a hundred years as merely C, a tradition dating back to the |
| 0:26.2 | founding of modern secret intelligence gathering and the roots of Ian Fleming's fictional |
| 0:31.2 | character M, dispatching agents, including James Bond, to daring |
| 0:36.1 | do and danger in far-off places, and every chief signs official communications in distinctive green ink. Sign Official Communications, Communications, Indistinctive Green Inc. |
| 0:44.0 | I'm Anne McElvoy and I'll be hosting |
| 0:47.7 | Politico's new global podcast called Power Play coming Up in the Fall. |
| 0:53.0 | Today we hope to warm up your interest with a special introductory offer |
| 0:58.0 | with someone who definitely wields power on the invisible front. |
| 1:02.0 | I'll be asking today's British spymaster, a key ally of |
| 1:06.1 | the US about why he believes the West is involved in a pivotal battle for freedom as the |
| 1:12.3 | war in Ukraine intensifies, and how that has changed the balance of power |
| 1:17.6 | between old enemies of the Cold War. And to do so I headed to Prague, a city where I covered the fall of communism in 1989, but also |
| 1:27.6 | where an uprising against the Soviet Union 55 years ago sent shock waves around the world and brought to life the threat of |
| 1:35.5 | invasion by Moscow's troops. |
| 1:38.6 | The 1968 Prague Spring of hopeful reform of communism was brutally crushed. |
| 1:45.0 | It's also a city at the heart of espionage throughout the Cold War. Now as a new war rages on the |
| 1:55.2 | continent of Europe we'll hear an insight into the thinking of a man who very |
| 1:59.2 | rarely speaks about the threat posed by Russia and China and perhaps the most impenetrable secret ahead |
| 2:06.2 | of all of us how to live and to spy in a world where AI is a new and controversial reality. |
| 2:14.0 | This exclusive interview for Politico |
| 2:17.0 | was recorded in front of a live audience at the British Embassy in Prague. |
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