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Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

Melissa Wolfenbarger: Dr. Angela Arnold Weighs In | Part 8

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

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4.4696 Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

April 29th, 1999. A skull is found in a trash bag outside Action Glass in Atlanta, Georgia. Soon after, in different trash bags, various other body parts are found. The remains are identified as the remains of Melissa Wolfenbarger, a 21-year-old married mother of two who is reported missing several months prior. In a remarkable twist, Melissa’s remains are verified only after her Father is arrested in connection to an unrelated murder.

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, is joined by Psychiatrist, Dr. Angela Arnold who has worked on Melissa’s unsolved case. Dr. Arnold and Sheryl discuss their perspectives on trauma bonds, domestic violence and what realtionship imbalances look like in families.  They also discuss how childhood trauma can ultimately lead you to exactly what you were trying to get away from.  In this case, they discuss how Melissa’s childhood and experience shaped how she ended up with a guy like Christopher.  Dr. Arnold also gives her advice on how to detect a narcissist and signs of domestic violence, and more.    

Show Notes:

  • [0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum. Sheryl sets the scene of exactly why Dr. Angela Arnold is part of her zone 7
  • [2:25] If you missed the beginning of Melissa Wolfenbarger’s case check out those episodes here: Melissa Wolfenbarger: Norma and Tina Patton | Part 1, Melissa Wolfenbarger: Karyn Greer | Part 2, Melissa Wolfenbarger: Trace Sargent | Part 3, Melissa Wolfenbarger: Letters From Carl Patton | Part 4, Melissa Wolfenbarger: Victims of Carl Patton - Liddie Evans Children Speak | Part 5, Melissa Wolfenbarger: Joseph Scott Morgan’s Insight on Melissa’s case | Part 6, and Melissa Wolfenbarger: Continued - Joseph Scott Morgan’s Insight on Melissa’s Case | Part 7
  • [2:30] Dr. Angela Arnold has expertise in a lot of different areas such as anxiety and depression, attention deficit disorder, work-life balance, cold cases, and criminal behavior issues leading to crime suspect and victim-centered criminological review
  • [4:20] “Families develop their own identities as a whole.”
  • [8:50] What it means to love bomb someone 
  • [10:24] Signs of devaluing a person
  • [15:43] The enormous bond between Norma and Carl
  • [20:00] Sheryl weighs in on her perspective of Chris and Carl's affiliation 
  • [27:58] Dr. Angela weighs in on Melissa’s missing torso 
  • [30:50] Motives as to why a husband would kill his wife
  • [32:33] Red flags in domestic violence 
  • [37:54] “Melissa had this funny back and forth where she loved Chris and she was scared of him, and he would, he would make her fearful, but then the next day he would do something that made her feel that love again. And it's a bond. It's, it's, that's why it's called a trauma bond.”
  • [38:36] Question: Dr. Arnold, do you have any advice that you wanna give right now to everybody listening?
  • [39:55] “People change based on what they feel more than what they know.” 
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.  

You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

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0:00.0

When I was a reserve deputy in the Special Ops Division, I worked often as part of the jail search team, cell extraction response team.

0:19.0

And we would perform these cell extractions so that we could search

0:22.8

for contraband. So we would pull the inmate out, make sure we were safe, and then go on in and

0:29.3

look for weapons and drugs, cell phones, anything they were not supposed to have. The inmates at the time

0:36.2

were issued standard blue inmate

0:40.1

uniforms. If the inmate was issued an orange jumpsuit, it meant they might have a

0:46.8

medical condition and you needed to use extreme caution. If they were issued a

0:52.3

red jumpsuit, that meant they were dangerous and most often had extreme mental illness of some type.

1:02.4

So my very first cell extraction ever was a very large man who was smiling kind of that evil kind of crazy look on his face.

1:16.1

Like, you shouldn't be smiling, but he was looking at me like, you go ahead and unlock this,

1:21.8

you know, cage if you want to kind of thing.

1:24.7

And the first thing that I noticed, he was wearing a red top and orange pants.

1:31.3

And all I can think of is he is crazy as a rat in a coffee can from the hips up. And from the

1:37.7

hips down, he's eat up with something I don't want. So all I knew in that moment is I've got to use my wits about me to understand

1:47.4

how I can get this man out of this cell safely for him and for me. And I rely on our

1:55.7

experts because again, I may know somebody is suffering in some way, but I don't know what they're suffering from.

2:05.0

So why do you bring in a psychiatrist?

2:07.5

When you're working a cold case or any criminal investigation for that matter, it's more than means, motive, and opportunity.

2:15.6

Those three things are critical.

2:18.6

Those things are investigation 101. Those are the three things you need to understand and prove and apply. But there's

2:26.8

always the why. And the why is the thing that keeps you up at night. Dr. Angie, this is where she comes into play. So when you have a

2:37.9

case like this, a young mother of two that is murdered the way that Melissa Wolfenberger is

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