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This Jungian Life Podcast

MELANCHOLY: the exquisite ache of life

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Jungian, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Dreams, Jung, Relationships, Selfhelp, Society & Culture, Psychoanalysis

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2022

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Melancholy evokes images of poets and artists for whom suffering and giftedness go hand in hand. Creative ability as compensation for affliction is depicted in Greek myth by the god Hephaestus. Rejected by his goddess mother and cast out of Olympus, alienated Hephaestus forged magnificent, magical objects for the gods. Such archetypal imagery can inform our understanding of the kind of depression that seems intrinsic but may have roots in early, adverse childhood experiences of emotional deprivation or rejection. Early loss, separation from a primary caregiver, or relational abandonment can have lifelong repercussions. Such disruptive events, though not available to consciousness, nonetheless infuse adult attitudes and attachments. To name the void creates space for mourning and healing, and like Hephaestus, finding the inner fire to forge something new.

Here's the dream we analyze:

“In my dream I am walking, I think toward a house. I'm walking through a wilderness area that has many, like at least 2 dozen, dead rabbits. They are dismembered. And I look at them, but when I do, I feel that I have violated their death. I'm not sure. I know a wolf got them but I never see the wolf. I see one of the rabbit's faces, and even though it is missing it's lower half (and is quite bloody), I know its soul is still alive, though its body is dead. I don't ponder this for very long in the dream. After that, I pass the rabbits, and I'm in the yard of what I think might be my home. But it is flooded - the aftermath of a flood. There is a large (80 foot) oak tree in the middle of the flood waters. Next to it is a tower of toadstools, each growing on top of one another. They are beautiful. They are lime green and white, almost glowing. I never go into the house because I'm amazed by the mushrooms. I take picture after picture of them from various angles.”

REFERENCES:

Film: Melancholia; Kirsten Dunst, Alexander Skarsgard. https://play.hbomax.com/player/urn:hbo:feature:GYVLQ2wCF_6TDXgEAAACc

The Ultimate Rumi Collection. Three books by Coleman Barks, https://a.co/d/c99kiYA

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life.

0:03.0

Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Martiano,

0:07.0

Debra Stewart and Joseph Lee invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation

0:12.0

that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.

0:17.0

I'm Lisa Martiano and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia.

0:22.0

I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

0:27.0

I'm Debra Stewart, a Jungian analyst and Cape Cod.

0:37.0

Today all three of us are here which is a wonderful treat

0:41.0

and we're going to talk about melancholy.

0:45.0

There's a number of ways of differentiating the medieval idea of melancholy

0:52.0

as a temperament, as one of the four humors,

0:57.0

versus the various modern clinical distinctions around depression.

1:03.0

But in service to evoking the spirit of melancholy, I'd like to start

1:09.0

by sharing a quote from Shakespeare's Hamlet.

1:15.0

In this moment, Hamlet has been struggling.

1:19.0

His father is dead. His mother has remarried the uncle.

1:25.0

Hamlet himself should have been named the new king.

1:30.0

But he doesn't seem to have any energy to act.

1:35.0

And he's talking to one of his friends and says,

1:38.0

I have a late, but wherefore I know not, lost all my birth,

1:44.0

foregone all custom of exercises, and indeed it goes so heavily

1:49.0

with my disposition that this goodly framed the earth.

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