Welcome to Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books with Zivie. I'm the host, Zivie Owens. I am an author. My latest is blank,

pub date March 1st, a novel. I'm also a podcaster, obviously, a publisher, a bookstore owner,

and so much more. If you love books, you're in the right place. In fact, we call it the Zivieverse, or really, the L.A. Times called it the Zivieverse, and we're going with it. Go to Zivie Owens.com to learn more and follow me on Instagram at Zivie Owens. The following was a conversation held at Zivie's bookshop, overheard at Zivis bookshop.

It's between Megan Reardon Jarvis, who is the author of The End of the Hour, which is a grief

memoir, and it is Zivvy Buck, so we're very excited about that. And Hope Edelman, who is

just the author of motherless daughters, but the ultimate grief counselor and expert in the world,

basically. Let me give you their bios as well. Megan Rurden Jarvis is a podcast host of

grief is my side hustle, two-time TEDx speaker, and psychotherapist specializing in trauma and grief

in loss. After experiencing PTSD following the deaths of both of her parents, Jarvis

founded Talking Point Partners to help employers address complex emotions such as grief in the workplace.

Jarvis is currently at work on Can Anyone Tell Me Why, 25 essential questions about grief and loss,

which publishes with Sounds True Media in 2024. Originally from New England, Jarvis currently lives

in Maryland with her husband

and their three children, where competing piles of Lego bricks and books cover most surfaces of their

house. Hope Edelman is the internationally acclaimed author of eight nonfiction books. She's been on this

podcast, by the way, including the bestseller's motherless daughters, motherless mothers, and the

memoir of the possibility of everything. Her newest book is the after-grief, finding her way along the long arc of loss. She has lectured widely on the subjects of early mother loss and nonfiction writing in the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the UAE. Her articles and reviews have appeared in numerous publications, including The New York Times, The Chicago Tribune,

the San Francisco Chronicle, The Washington Post, The Huffington Post, Child, 17, Real Simple,

appearance, writers digest, and self, and her original essays have appeared in many anthologies,

including The Bitch in the House, The Bitches Back, behind the bedroom door, and goodbye to all that.

Her work has received a New York Times notable book of the year designation and a push cart

prize for creative nonfiction.

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