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I'm your host, Rob Shooter, and it's Wednesday, which means a dear friend, and he is a dear friend. A sloppy friend, may I add to, and a funny friend, and a sweet friend, a loving friend, our friend, Donnie Meacham. Which of all those introductions do you think fits your best, Donnie of them i mean i could give you a few more

there's the handsome there's the debonair there's the demure there's the demure

well it is wednesday oh my goodness we were just chatting about it's it's crazy this time

if you have this the weather it got so cold i'm absolutely freezing in new york i'm gonna get

sick i know it.

My sinuses are exploding.

We were gossiping Donnie. We've known each other a long time now and we have history. We have people that we have in common and we're just having a little bit of a gossip about someone we both know. Ooh. Yes. You know what? sometimes good and you know change though is in this business as we know change

isn't always easy, but also it still, it's not an easy fix.

Right.

And so it's like, you know, you still have to do the work.

Do the work. I can change the color of my hair, but I still got to do the work. I can change the color of my photo shoots, but I still gotta do the work.

I could rename this show, Donnie, but I still gotta do the work.

It is difficult, isn't it?

Because I think a lot of people want to get into this business to be famous or to be rich.

And all of which is possible, like any business.

Yes. But it's the same formula, which is you've just got to keep turning up and keep doing the work and good work, and then everything else will happen. But you can't put the

halls before the cart, or the cart before the horse, which one comes first?

Either one. It's something. You can't put the person on the horse before they jump on the feet.

By the car, by the tray.

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