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Welcome to That's what she said. Conversations with interesting people from the world of sports music comedy and more.

Talking about their lives, careers, successes and failures.

I'm Taylor Swalman and my dilemma is I always look like a fat boy.

That is amazing and it is unfortunately for you. So so true.

So for those of you listening who don't know what Taylor looks like, just picture the guy in an 80s movie who the girls in love with and then he treats her like garbage for the whole movie.

And then finally at the end she realizes that her best friend was the one she should have been in love with all along. Yeah, that's him.

He's like a catalog model for Eddie Bauer.

He's the guy that your wife is secretly following on Instagram and she says it's because she really likes his soccer opinions, but you definitely know better.

He's a golf pro who hangs out in the clubhouse all day, but only during the women's scrambles right by the limit age just in case they get thirsty.

He totally looks like a frat guy and the only way to fix that would be to get uglier.

You would have to muscle up your hair Taylor. You'd have to wear baggy ill-fitting clothes and stop whatever facial routine you've got going on.

You have to skip the dentist for a couple years. Get fat. I mean, let's be honest. You're not going to do any of that.

You're a pretty TV talking head now. You can't let yourself go. So instead you're just going to always have to look like a frat guy, but try not to be a frat guy.

Sorry. The commission has spoken.

This week's guest is Taylor 12 and he's a soccer analyst for ESPN, a former MLS and national team soccer player.

We had a great conversation that started with us basically realizing that we haven't fought nearly enough about being from St. Louis and Chicago.

So we got a little bit of that out of our system. We also talked about some of the tough decisions he had early on having to decide whether he wanted to go to college to play soccer and try to go professional or take the MLB offer that he got from the Kansas City Royals.

Also a decision to leave college to play professionally without finishing his time at Maryland. We also talked about how being overseas for 9-11 ended up provoking a fight with some of his Eastern and teammates and he demanded his way out of that team.

What he learned about himself and about what he wants from that experience. Also missing out on the World Cup and finding out on sports center.

Then we get into his foundation and the work that he's doing on head injuries and concussions in sports. Finally, why he wants to be Ryan Gosling and not Stiffler. You'll understand after you listen.

Here's my conversation with Taylor 12. That's what she said.

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