Meaning and the Patient’s Story
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
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🗓️ 3 February 2025
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Summary
Learn how your patient’s life story can unlock psychotherapeutic avenues of treatment on our interview with Margaret Chisolm.
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Published On: 02/03/2025
Duration: 16 minutes, 41 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD, Margaret Chisolm, MD, and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | Every patient has a story, and making sense of it is part of the healing. |
| 0:08.7 | Welcome to the Carlyte Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:14.3 | I'm Chris Haken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:17.9 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:25.5 | Today, we pick up with Margaret Chisholm on how to assess behavioral addictions, |
| 0:30.5 | how to talk to patients about their temperament, and how to appreciate the meanings they've made of their life story. |
| 0:43.5 | Thank you. to appreciate the meanings they've made of their life story. Life story perspective is all about the meaning somebody gets to events. |
| 0:47.1 | So asking about how somebody's dealing with this event, how they understand this event, how |
| 0:52.1 | they explain it. |
| 0:53.2 | You know, if they've had a tragic loss |
| 0:55.5 | of a family member, are they feeling guilty about it? Like, they did something wrong. It's their fault. |
| 1:03.0 | Do they have a religious story that they're telling themselves that, you know, God is angry at them, |
| 1:08.2 | punishing them, those sorts of things. |
| 1:17.3 | So it all eventually comes out, if not at the first interview over time, as people share more and more of their stories. |
| 1:20.2 | So the life story naturally includes psychosocial external stressors along the timeline of your life. |
| 1:29.7 | Exactly. Each of these perspectives has a conceptual triad. I've alluded to a couple of the other ones, but the life story perspective |
| 1:35.7 | triad is setting, sequence, and outcome. So it's just like any narrative. I often use the example |
| 1:41.7 | of Star Wars, right? A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, right? |
| 1:46.8 | So everybody has these events that occur in a particular setting, in a particular sequence, |
| 1:53.4 | and the outcome really is the story that they tell themselves about the events. |
| 1:58.0 | So, you know, somebody might have an infant die of SIDS. And then the story they tell |
| 2:03.5 | themselves could be that, you know, it was their fault. They weren't attentive enough or they were |
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