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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Meaning and the Patient’s Story

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine, Alternative Health

4.8440 Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Learn how your patient’s life story can unlock psychotherapeutic avenues of treatment on our interview with Margaret Chisolm.CME: Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode (https://www.thecarlatreport.com/blogs/2-the-carlat-psychiatry-podcast/post/5129-meaning-and-the-patients-story)Published On: 02/03/2025Duration: 16 minutes, 41 secondsChris Aiken, MD, Margaret Chisolm, MD, and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

Every patient has a story, and making sense of it is part of the healing.

0:08.7

Welcome to the Carlyte Psychiatry podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:14.3

I'm Chris Haken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report.

0:17.9

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:25.5

Today, we pick up with Margaret Chisholm on how to assess behavioral addictions,

0:30.5

how to talk to patients about their temperament, and how to appreciate the meanings they've made of their life story.

0:43.5

Thank you. to appreciate the meanings they've made of their life story. Life story perspective is all about the meaning somebody gets to events.

0:47.1

So asking about how somebody's dealing with this event, how they understand this event, how

0:52.1

they explain it.

0:53.2

You know, if they've had a tragic loss

0:55.5

of a family member, are they feeling guilty about it? Like, they did something wrong. It's their fault.

1:03.0

Do they have a religious story that they're telling themselves that, you know, God is angry at them,

1:08.2

punishing them, those sorts of things.

1:17.3

So it all eventually comes out, if not at the first interview over time, as people share more and more of their stories.

1:20.2

So the life story naturally includes psychosocial external stressors along the timeline of your life.

1:29.7

Exactly. Each of these perspectives has a conceptual triad. I've alluded to a couple of the other ones, but the life story perspective

1:35.7

triad is setting, sequence, and outcome. So it's just like any narrative. I often use the example

1:41.7

of Star Wars, right? A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, right?

1:46.8

So everybody has these events that occur in a particular setting, in a particular sequence,

1:53.4

and the outcome really is the story that they tell themselves about the events.

1:58.0

So, you know, somebody might have an infant die of SIDS. And then the story they tell

2:03.5

themselves could be that, you know, it was their fault. They weren't attentive enough or they were

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