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The Good Fight

Matthew Goodwin on Why the Last Decade of Politics Has Been So Bizarr

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2023

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Matthew Goodwin is Professor of Politics at the University of Kent. He is the author, most recently, of Values, Voice and Virtue: The New British Politics. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Matthew Goodwin discuss the left’s transition from a focus on the working class to college-educated professionals; how leaders like Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were able to broaden their electoral tents in the 1990s; and why the “cultural dimension” of politics isn’t going away. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The politicians who thrive in the years ahead and the parties which thrive in the years ahead

0:06.4

are the ones that are going to be offering a compelling narrative around the theme of security,

0:11.4

both economic and cultural. It is not going to be either or it is not

0:16.1

going to be increased the salience of one, decreased the salience of the other. It is going to be

0:22.0

a narrative that will speak very loudly and

0:25.2

convincingly to Boater's desire for a much greater degree of economic security but

0:31.5

also a strong desire for cultural security for

0:34.8

protection from an array of perceived threats that they feel.

0:39.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:52.0

Donald Trump has just been indicted and will stand trial in New York on charges most likely of having paid hush payments to Stormy Daniels.

1:00.8

It would give me great pleasure to see Donald Trump behind us.

1:08.0

Trump has attacked the most fundamental aspects of America's political system, including the idea

1:18.1

that free and fair elections should determine who gets to be in office.

1:25.0

It is evidence that he has gone to the very limits of what is legally permissible in all kinds of circumstances for many years and well beyond the

1:38.8

limits of what should be morally acceptable. And there's always some satisfaction in seeing the application of a noble and hard-won principle that all men are equal before the law that nobody is exempt from its reach.

1:58.0

And yet I saw the breaking news alert about Trump's indictment and had a sinking feeling.

2:12.0

For the last months, the best case scenario was slowly coming into view.

2:19.0

Trump's ability to command the attention of the public was having it looked at least plausible

2:26.8

that he might lose his bit for the Republican nomination he seemed determined to make a quixotic bit to run for

2:36.8

presidency as an independent. I was starting to hope that he may leave American politics and American history as a triple loser.

2:47.0

Now all of the attention is back on Trump just as he wants it to be.

2:55.8

His rivals for the Republican nomination

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