Hello and welcome to the Katie Helper Show on this episode I'm joined by

Jesse Meerson as my guest co-host Jesse is a writer and organizer in New York City.

And our guest is Matt Booning, a writer who focuses on poverty, inequality, and welfare systems.

And we'll be discussing his recent article, which he published at Medium, which is called

Liberals and Diversity, and it's a response to a

Zach Beauchamp piece at Vox. And basically, Boonig argues that liberals are making an argument that

conservatives usually make, which is that diversity is inconsistent with economic justice.

Brunei paraphrases Zach Bochum's argument thusly.

What follows from this particular argument is pretty clear. You can have diversity or you can have economic justice, but you can't have both. Traditionally, this has been the arch-conservative position. It is conservatives who say that we cannot mix different kinds of people

lest we increase social distrust, disharmony, and distance. It is conservatives

who say that we need to monitor diversity levels in immigration to ensure

that the immigrant share of the population does not get too high and

to ensure that the immigrants who do come in are aggressively assimilated so as to erase the differences

they initially bring with them.

Not keeping diversity down and different groups separated from one another,

Conservatives maintain, will destabilize society, turn politics into a dangerous,

racialized contest for political power, and a misrate people in all sorts of

subtle and not so subtle ways and it's not just white conservatives who say

this either the black nationalist separatist movements also hold these views

more and more it seems like liberals in the discourse

agree with this basic conservative assessment of how diversity affects society but

despite that underlying agreement they somewhat bizarrely resist the

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