Joining me is Dr. Chloe Carmichael. People refer to her as Dr. Chloe. Like myself, she's trained in clinical psychology. She is a USA Today best-selling author. She's written a book that really is kind of right up my alley. The book is, can I say that? Why free speech matters and how to use it

fearlessly. And I got to say, this is part wake-up call and part survival guide. And in it,

Dr. Chloe argues that cancel culture thrives when good people stay silent. And she's got the tools

to help you really feel comfortable speaking up, staying grounded, and how to build stronger

relationships in the process. Because I promise you, you're not the only one that feels the way

you feel. And you never know that

until you actually venture out. One of the things that you talk about in your book that I thought

was really important, you stressed that over pathologizing everyday struggles creates a victim

mindset that undermines resilience. And I think the ideology on campuses right now is failing to prepare these young people

for the real world because they are over pathologizing these everyday struggles.

And then when they get out into a full contact, full competitive world, I don't think they're going

to be prepared for it. I agree. You know, it's the idea that, you know, words are violence,

and I know again, you talk about this in your book as well, of course, which I love to read,

you know, that words are violence or, you know, silence is violence. It's, um, what an anxiety provoking

way to live your life, right? To think that, heaven forbid, if I say the wrong words, it's like

running someone over with my car or if I hear the wrong words. It's like somebody, you know,

hitting me and threatening my existence. Um, and as you said, it's kind of weaponizing this victim status. So one of the things I talk

about in the book as well is the secondary gains of victimhood, which again, I'm sure you're

completely, of course, aware of, but just for your listening audience, that the classic example

in Psychology 101 textbooks is a little girl breaks her

legs. She has a cast. She gets excused from gym class. Everybody signs her cast. She starts to

enjoy the attention and the perks so much that when the doctor says it's time for the cast to come

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