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Factually! with Adam Conover

Mass Incarceration, Accountability and The Wire with James Forman Jr. (Re-release)

Factually! with Adam Conover

Headgum

Comedy

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2020

⏱️ 63 minutes

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James Forman Jr., Professor of Law at Yale Law School and author of the book Locking Up Our Own, joins Adam this week to discuss the history of how mass incarceration became so distorted, juvenile court, confronting problems in the criminal justice system, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0:00.0

This is a HeadGum Podcast.

0:04.0

Hello, welcome to Factually. I'm Adam Conover and it's been a bad week in America.

0:13.0

First of all, I hope you're doing all right wherever you are.

0:18.0

And secondly, I want to say right up top, so there's no quivocation about it.

0:23.2

Justice for George Floyd, Ahmad Arbury, Brianna Taylor, and every black American

0:28.8

who's been murdered by police or by vigilantes.

0:31.2

Black Lives Matter.

0:34.0

And I want to say thank you to all of you who are raising your voice

0:38.0

in support of those causes right now,

0:41.0

and I join you in that because it's beyond clear that we need to

0:47.0

radically change the way we police this country. I mean when you have

0:51.8

hundreds of thousands of people marching in the streets protesting

0:56.3

from their hearts saying the police that are supposed to be protecting us are instead violently abusing us not just in Minneapolis but in every

1:07.0

city around the country and when those protesters are met by those very same police, but this time armed with military equipment that they use to violently abuse those same protesters,

1:22.0

I mean, I don't know what to say. It doesn't seem like a great way to de-escalate a situation and

1:30.0

it's also very bad PR if you're trying to make cops look good because well now we are faced by every time we open social media hundreds and hundreds of clips of the exact same abuses that are being protested in the first place.

1:45.0

And those images are very hard to watch.

1:49.0

We've seen the police target black Americans with arrests and violence. We've seen them target

1:54.9

journalists who are covering the scene. At least one journalist was blinded by a rubber bullet this

1:59.1

last weekend. We've seen platoons of armored police and National Guard march down residential streets,

2:06.4

firing tear gas canisters at anyone so bold as to poke their head out of their door.

2:12.0

And we've seen all those actions permitted or even directed by the officials we elected

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