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Marx's Capital Vol. 2 w/ Richard Wolff and Shahram Azhar

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🗓️ 29 July 2025

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

In our inaugural episode on Marx’s Capital, we took a deep dive into Capital Vol. 1, the first of three volumes on political economy written by Karl Marx in the late 19th century. Capital Vol. 1, though, is just the beginning—and unfortunately most people stop there. But Vol. 1 really just looks at one aspect of capitalism—how surplus value is produced. It doesn’t dive into the entire circulation process—or what we refer to as the circuits of capital. Vol. 2 provides the full picture of how capitalism functions—and we’ve brought on two terrific guests to help us make sense of it all.  

Richard Wolff is an economist, Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, currently a Visiting Professor in the Graduate Program in International Affairs of the New School in New York, host of the Economic Update and The Dialectic at Work podcasts, and founder of Democracy at Work. 

Shahram Azhar is a political economicst, musician, Associate Professor of Economics at Bucknell University and host of The Dialectic at Work podcast. 

In this episode, we talk about the process that went into writing and compiling Marx’s Capital Vol. 2. We talk about how Capital Vol. 2 builds off of Vol. 1, going from an analysis of how surplus is produced in the productive circuit of capital to really looking at the whole process of capital circulation. We talk about capital as a process as opposed to a thing, the various stages it passes through, what the implications are for the concept of the working class, the different antagonisms between the various kinds of capitalists—industrial, merchant, banking—and much more. 

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0:00.0

Hi, everyone. Just wanted to let you know that Robbie and I will be taking the first two weeks of August off,

0:05.8

so our next public release will be published on August 25th. We've got some really great episodes planned,

0:12.2

and we're really looking forward to sharing them with you once we're back. Thank you, and see you in a few weeks. Volume 2 wants us to understand there are a lot of people in the society who are neither the producers of surplus

0:52.3

nor the appropriators of surplus produced by others.

0:58.0

They're in a different relationship, both with one another and with the producers and appropriators

1:07.0

of surplus, because the economy is a bigger totality.

1:12.6

Volume 2 shows us all that happens in the way of capital circulating through the economy,

1:21.6

locates the production of surplus in there, but also other things.

1:26.6

And it gives you immediately a sense of how the economy

1:31.8

works that is much closer to the every day that we want to understand than volume one was.

1:41.1

You're listening to Upstream. Upstream. Upstream. A show about political economy and society

1:48.9

that invites you to unlearn everything you thought you knew about the world around you. I'm Della Duncan.

1:55.4

And I'm Robert Raymond. In our inaugural episode on Marx's Capital, we took a deep dive into Capital, Volume 1,

2:04.0

the first of three volumes on political economy written by Karl Marx in the late 19th century.

2:11.2

Capital Volume 1, though, is just the beginning, and unfortunately, most people just stopped there.

2:18.6

But Volume 1 really just looks at one aspect of capitalism how surplus value is produced

2:24.1

it doesn't dive into the entire circulation process or what we refer to as the

2:29.8

circuits of capital volume two provides the full picture of how capitalism functions,

2:37.1

and we've brought on two terrific guests to help us make sense of it all.

2:42.4

Richard Wolfe is an economist, Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Massachusetts

2:48.6

Amherst, currently a visiting professor in the graduate program

2:52.9

in international affairs of the new school in New York, host of the Economic Update and the

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