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🗓️ 4 June 2025
⏱️ 90 minutes
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to origin story. |
0:11.1 | In each episode we take a word, idea, event or figure from history, explain its origins and |
0:15.6 | talk about how it influences political discourse today. |
0:18.6 | I'm Dorian Linsky, author of Everything Was Go. And I'm Ian Dunst, |
0:21.7 | the author of How Westminster Works and Why Doesn't? Subject today is the last topic of season |
0:28.2 | seven as a two-parter on Martin Luther King, 1929 to 1968. I found this formed a kind of trilogy with suffragettes and the sort of Gandhi element of the partition episodes. |
0:42.7 | Apart from Nelson Mandela, I think these are the most fabled examples of successful political activism. |
0:49.1 | And it just brings up a lot of thoughts about leadership and strategy and tensions within the movements |
0:56.7 | and that mingling of success and failure, which was such a big part of King's career. |
1:03.9 | Were you kind of, I mean, obviously, Gandhi was a big influence on him. |
1:07.1 | Were you making those sort of connections? |
1:09.3 | You kind of can't help it, right? |
1:10.4 | Because he starts reading Gandhi and talking about it |
1:12.9 | as to how you approach it. I mean, he's a much less morally complicated figure than Gandhi. |
1:19.5 | Martin Luther King, he has flaws, but they're not considerable. I mean, you know, he is a |
1:23.9 | fundamentally good man trying to do good things. So it's less complicated in that way. |
1:28.8 | But it pulls you into these really weird discussions about how you secure progressive political change, the most effective means, which are often, by the way, basically a PR conversation. |
1:41.1 | Most of the conversation around Martin Luther King is how do you do effective PR? |
1:49.6 | And one of the lessons you take from it is effective PR is not some kind of frivolity that distracts from, you know, meaningful policy change. It's how you secure meaningful policy change |
1:54.8 | and millions of people's lives were improved by him being tremendously fucking good at PR. |
1:59.9 | And then it's the reactionary ways of how you counter someone on the progressive wing that's really good at PR. |
2:06.9 | When the sort of, I guess you'd call it like sort of like the white American establishment or the law enforcement agencies, |
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