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Martin Gurri on the Revolt of the Public

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🗓️ 25 May 2020

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Author Martin Gurri, Visiting Fellow at George Mason University's Mercatus Center, talks about his book The Revolt of the Public with EconTalk host Russ Roberts. Gurri argues that a digital tsunami--the increase in information that the web provides--has destabilized authority and many institutions. He talks about the amorphous nature of recent populist protest movements around the world and where we might be headed politically and culturally.

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Welcome to Econ Talk, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty.

0:08.0

I'm your host, Russ Roberts of Stanford University's Hoover Institution.

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Our website is econtalk.org, where you can subscribe, comment on this podcast,

0:17.0

and find links and other information related to today's conversation.

0:21.0

We'll also find our archives where you can listen to every episode we've ever done going back to 2006.

0:27.0

Our email address is mailadycontalk.org. We'd love to hear from you.

0:33.0

Today is February 20, 2020, and my guest is author Martin Goury.

0:38.0

He has a former CIA analyst and the author of the Revolt of the Public, Maran Welpney, Cantalk.

0:43.0

Great to be here.

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Revolt of the Public was first published in 2014, which seems about a hundred years ago.

0:50.0

You summarize the central idea as, quote, the information technologies of the 21st century

0:57.0

have enabled the public composed of amateurs, people from nowhere,

1:01.0

to break the power of the political hierarchies of the industrial age.

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Expand how you came to see that, and what that means exactly.

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Well, as you say, I was an analyst at CIA.

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I probably had the least glamorous job there.

1:19.0

I didn't have my double-o license to kill or the beautiful girls.

1:24.0

I was an analyst of global media, and for the earliest part of my career, that was very straightforward.

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There was a trickle of open information, and every country had its equivalent of New York Times,

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a source that said the agenda.

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So if the president wanted to know how his policies were playing in France,

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you went to Le Monde, you went to Le Figaro, we just literally two newspapers.

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