Hello, Food with Mark Bitman friends.

This is Kate Bitman.

In addition to this week's excellent conversation between Corey Booker and Mark, we're dropping into our feed this episode of the podcast, Good Citizen, featuring a very esteemed guest, Mark Bitman.

Good Citizen is hosted by Ted Roosevelt V, who is himself

a good citizen, and Mark was very happy to be invited onto Ted's show. I found their conversation

to be personally interesting for obvious reasons, and if you're a fan of Mark's, which many of you

are, of course, you'll like it a lot too.

On Food with Mark Bitman, Mark and I try hard to focus on our guests and not be self-indulgent.

And on Good Citizen, Ted, a super gracious host, did the same for Mark.

Here it is.

At no point did someone say, I have this evil notion I'm going to invent food that makes people sick.

It was we can grow more food, we can make more money, we can be more efficient, et cetera, et cetera, if we do these things.

But the ultimate upshot of these things has been a supermarket filled with food that really don't want to eat.

Welcome to Good Citizen, a podcast from the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library.

I'm Ted Roosevelt.

I love to cook. And unfortunately, I'm not a

great cook, so I have to rely on experts to help and maybe no one more than Mark Bidman.

My copy of How to Cook Everything is well-worn and heavily bookmarked. But while I'm no stranger

to his cookbook, it is Mark's writing on sustainability and food policy that make him such a great guest for our podcast.

Make no mistake, food is political.

The systems behind how we feed ourselves impacts almost everything, including our health, climate, labor, and agriculture in this country.

Beneath every conversation about restaurants or

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