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The Tikvah Podcast

Mark Gottlieb and Anna Moreland on Judaism, Christianity, and Forgiveness

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6620 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

To expect women and men of flesh and blood to live lives of ethical perfection is to expect too much. Lapses in judgment, ignorance, vice, and sin are inescapable parts of the human condition. Each year, on Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, we recite the Al Het prayer, enumerating over 40 sins that we have committed. Sinning is natural, or, as the poet Alexander Pope famously put it, “to err is human, to forgive divine.”

And there’s a deep truth to that, for while error and vice are natural to the human condition, religion has introduced into the moral landscape the human imitation of God’s compassion that releases us, and allows us to release one another, from the crushing burden of guilt and vice. That religious innovation is forgiveness, and it plays a central role in the ethical life of Jews and Christians.

A society without forgiveness, in which moral stain can never be wiped away, in which no mechanism for absolution exists, is a society that will grow fearful, fragmented, feeble, and frail. A society that is properly calibrated to the inescapable truths of human sin, and also has an instrument that absolves the sinner and and enable him or her to rejoin society, is resilient. A few years ago, American was bound up in a spate of so-called cancellations in which public figures stood accused of some wrong action, wrong statement, or wrong thought, and were deemed unfit for employment or standing in society. And, in the progressive circles that led these efforts to purify the public arena, no apology would suffice. No cleansing was sufficient to remove the stain: once a bigot, always a bigot.

It was around that time that a group of Jewish and Christian theologians began meeting to discuss the idea of forgiveness. Over the course of several years of study, reading, and discussion, a statement emerged. “Forgiveness: A Statement by Jews and Christians” was published in the February 2025 issue of First Things magazine.

But of course, something of civilizational significance happened while this group convened, and that was the October 7 Hamas attacks, and the adulation of the attackers by American and European activists. In the face of such evil, could forgiveness be offered? Should it be? What are the limitations on forgiveness and what are the moral obligations on the part of the penitent seeking forgiveness?

Two of the statement’s signatories, Tikvah’s chief education officer Rabbi Mark Gottlieb and the Villanova University professor Anna Moreland, join Mosaic’s editor Jonathan Silver to discuss these and related themes.

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0:00.0

To expect women and men of flesh and blood to live lives of ethical perfection is to expect too much.

0:13.7

Lapses in judgment, ignorance, vice, and sin are all inescapable parts of the human condition.

0:20.2

Each year on Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement,

0:23.0

we recite the Al-Khaet and enumerate over 40 sins that we've committed. Sinning is natural,

0:28.7

or, as the famous saying of the poet Alexander Pope has it, to err is human, to forgive divine.

0:35.0

Now there's deep truth to both parts of that formulation. For if error and

0:39.5

vice are natural to the human condition, it took the promulgation of religious structures

0:44.5

to introduce a new feature into the moral landscape, a human imitation of God's grace

0:50.3

that releases us and allows us to release one another from the crushing burden of guilt and vice.

0:56.3

That religious innovation is forgiveness, and it plays a central role in the ethical life of Jews and Christians.

1:03.3

A society without forgiveness, in which moral stain can never be wiped away,

1:07.9

in which no mechanism for ablution exists, is a society that will grow

1:12.5

fearful, fragmented, feeble, and frail, a society that is properly calibrated to the

1:17.7

inescapable truths of human sin, and also has an instrument to absolve the sinner and rejoin

1:24.0

society's graces. That is a resilient society. Now, a few years ago, America was

1:29.2

bound up in a spate of public cancellations, in which public figures stood accused of some

1:34.5

wrong actions, wrong statements, wrong thoughts, and they were deemed unfit for employment,

1:40.2

unfit for standing in society. And in the predominantly progressive circles that led these efforts

1:45.8

to purify the public arena, no apology would suffice. No cleansing was sufficient to remove the stain.

1:53.2

Once a bigot, always a bigot. Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. It was

1:59.2

around that time that a group of Jewish and Christian

2:01.7

theologians began meeting to discuss the idea of forgiveness. Over the course of several years

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