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Woman's Hour

Margaret Atwood memoir, Racism in public services, Is having a boyfriend embarassing?

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

In Margaret Atwood’s 64-year career she has published world-renowned, prescient novels like The Handmaid’s Tale, Cat’s Eye, Alias Grace and Blind Assassin, and now a memoir. Margaret joins Nuala McGovern to discuss Book of Lives: A Memoir of Sorts and reflect on her life, her work and the power of knowing her own mind.

We also reflect on the impact Margaret Atwood has had on writers and academics. Author Naomi Alderman and academics Dr Rosamund Portus and Dr Megan Douglas join Nuala to discuss how Margaret has encouraged and inspired their work across literature, science and beyond.

Health Secretary Wes Streeting in an interview in The Guardian today says an “ugly” racism reminiscent of the 1970s and 1980s has become worryingly commonplace in modern Britain and NHS staff are bearing the brunt of it. In recent weeks, organisations representing nurses, social workers and carers - many of those being areas are dominated by women - have been sounding the alarm saying their members are encountering unprecedented levels of racism. We talk to Patricia Marquiss, Director for England at the Royal College of Nursing, Nadra Ahmed, Executive Chairman of the National Care Association and Harvey Gallagher from the Nationwide Association of Fostering Providers.

Is having a boyfriend now embarrassing? Writer Chanté Joseph recently explored this idea in an article for Vogue and on social media, observing a noticeable shift in how people - particularly heterosexual women - present their relationships online. Instead of posting clear photos of their romantic partners, many are choosing subtler signals: a hand on a steering wheel, clinking glasses, or even blurring out faces in wedding pictures. But why the change? Even Zohran Mamdani, the new Mayor of New York, was asked whether it’s still okay to use the term boyfriend. Chanté joins us.

Presenter: Nuala McGovern Producer: Simon Richardson

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, radio, podcasts.

0:07.3

Hello, I'm Kimberly Wilson. I'm a psychologist, and in my new podcast, Complex, I'll be your guide

0:14.4

through all the information and misinformation that's out there about mental health.

0:19.0

I'm joined by expert guests covering topics from people-pleasing to perfectionism,

0:24.2

burnout to empathy, to find tangible advice so we can understand ourselves a little better.

0:30.5

Complex with me, Kimberly Wilson.

0:33.0

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:35.7

Hello, this is Neula McGovern, and you're listening to The Woman's Hour podcast.

0:41.1

Hello and welcome to the programme.

0:43.6

Well, today, Margaret Atwood and her Book of Lives, the great Canadian author, has written a memoir.

0:50.8

As expected, Margaret is sharp, witty and so engaging, just like her latest work. Some of her

0:57.2

life story is coming up. We have Naomi Alderman, among others, also on the impact of Margaret

1:03.0

Atwood on their work and lives. I spoke to Margaret about marriage and the conflicting emotions

1:08.8

that there can be around it. And I think it's related

1:11.8

in a way to an article by Shante Joseph. This article has exploded online. The title,

1:18.5

Is having a boyfriend embarrassing now? That's a question. Here's a snippet from the article.

1:24.3

Where being single was once a cautionary tale, you'll end up a spinster with a load of cats.

1:29.3

It is now becoming a desirable and coveted status, another nail in the coffin of a centuries

1:34.3

old heterosexual fairy tale that never really benefited women to begin with.

1:39.2

Being partnered doesn't affirm your womanhood anymore.

1:42.1

It is no longer considered an achievement.

1:48.5

And if anything, it's become more of a flex to pronounce yourself single.

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