So, you've entered the Paracast with your host, Jane Steinberg and David Bienn.

So things are a little bit different on this episode of the Paracast.

David Bietney is, as we say, resting, nursing a cold.

And we've asked Jeff Ritzman, our friend Jeff Ritzman, to be the guest co-host.

So, Jeff, welcome aboard to the powercast. Well, hey, Gene.

Hey, we're doing. We're doing fine. We're still kind of considering the two shows we did with

Jim Sparks, the contact D, author of The Keepers. I wonder what they're keeping from us or anything like

that. And I know you listen to a lot of both episodes,

Jeff. Did you get a feeling for what this guy is doing and whether he might have any chance

of telling us an accurate story there of something that he experienced over the years?

Well, you know, it came down to me a lot of, a lot of what I heard was kind of like,

in my opinion, like amalgamates of different stories, little pieces of different things that

I've heard before that kind of seemed to flow into his story in one way or another. It's like a

laundry list saying, I want this to sound correct. Kind of that way. Yeah, I mean, I didn't get, you know, I personally didn't walk away from listening to either time with really anything new, if you want to call it that.

I didn't get anything from it as far as getting us closer to maybe understanding something, you know, I mean, based on my own stuff, I didn't really see anything of what I've

seen and heard and what have you. I haven't heard anything from him that was similar to me.

And that's not to say that he's not telling the truth or what have you like that.

That's notwithstanding. But, I mean, I think one thing people have to keep in mind is, like,

how subjective the whole experience is and how different people experience it. So, you know, I don't

lend credence to myself nor him either way. I mean, all I can do is relate what I've experienced

from my point of view and my, you know, through my eyes and ears and what have you. But with

Jim stuff, I mean, I think, you know, through my eyes and ears and what have you. But with Jim stuff, I mean, I think,

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