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Welcome to the To the Contrary podcast. I'm Charlie Sites. What are we on day 15, day 16 of Donald Trump not being able to shake the Jeffrey Epstein story. Okay, we're not going to talk about that today. We will get back to that later in the week. But we'll do something a little bit different. I have a very, very special guest. Mark Rassico is the former governor of the state of Montana, also former chairman of the Republican National

Committee. And in 2004, he successfully managed George W. Bush's reelection campaign. So we are

talking about some very heavyweight Republican credentials. And he's doing something rather interesting

these days. He has joined an organization called, well, it's sort of a shadow RNC.

It is the Republican legacy, and Governor Rassico is one of the co-chairs of that, along with some very, very impressive names.

A group of non-Trumpist Republicans who were trying

to bring the Republican Party back to its roots.

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