Hi there, I'm Lale Arakoglu, and this is Women Who Travel. Today, I'm chatting with author

and journalist Laura Trethui about traveling to the deepest parts of the ocean and experts

recent attempts to create a giant map of the five oceans of the world.

Laura was new to ocean travel when she began her research.

She didn't even know if she would be seasick.

Now she calls herself an ocean journalist, a glamorous but also slightly mystifying term.

I came up with the term myself.

So I guess it needs clarifying.

I noticed that the things that I was writing about, I just kept coming back to the ocean again and again.

So I just kept writing about various ocean topics.

Fishing, shipwrecks, scientists, fisheries, whatever it was,

I was always coming back to the ocean and then I realized that that was the lens that I just

was seeing the world through. And so eventually I thought that this was, you know, a big enough

category for me to take on for my entire life.

Yeah. category for me to take on for my entire life. I didn't grow up by an ocean.

I actually grew up by a Great Lake,

so Lake Ontario that sometimes acts like an ocean, but it's not an ocean.

And I was really romantic about the ocean for a long time when I was growing up.

So I read, you know, Joshua Slocum, sailing alone around the world.

I love Charles Darwin's journals about going to the Galapagos.

And so sailing was really what happened first. It was kind of the lure of travel.

The ocean was just sort of a conduit for crossing borders,

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