Ryan Kugler, my brother, told me his father took him to see Malcolm X when he was five years old, sat on his knee.

Wow.

And he's still.

I don't know much you could comprehend five years old, but he said that film made the impact on my brother Ryan.

That was Spike Lee speaking to this man that I'm about to speak to now about the impact of Malcolm X.

This is from a piece that he did in Newsweek, which is one of, to me, my favorite magazines.

They're doing great journalism. If you want to see journalism, check out the cover with Spike Lee on it, written by the one and only

Kevin Powell, who's with us today. Kevin Powell, thank you. Thank you for joining me. It's been doing

amazing work. Many of you have met him on maybe through his work at Vibe magazine. I love that

you're writing again. This Newsweek piece, by the way, is reminiscent of what's missing now.

Wow.

Wow.

And then then you did video.

I said, come on through Kevin Powell with the interview.

It was so nice.

It was so refreshing as we sit in the 100th anniversary of the birth of Malcolm X, also known, of course,

as Malik El Shabazz. Where did you first meet Malcolm X?

Mm. Freshment year back in the 1980s Rutgers University, I was sitting in our Paul Robeson Cultural Center, which are black houses, they would call it, some schools at Rutgers in New Brunswick, New Jersey.

And a student leader, rest in peace, he passed a couple years ago, named Glenardo.

He was like our Ice Cube character from higher learning. He was the brother of the big Afro, the Afro pick, and Glenn Arnold, he was like our Ice Cube character from Higher Learning.

He was the brother of the big Afro and the Afro pick and it was all about the movement,

you know what I'm saying? And he, um, he identified three of us students, black male students

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