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🗓️ 8 September 2016
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0:00.0 | The Closer Podcast brings you the inside story of deals changing the world, told by the people who know how it all went down. |
0:09.0 | Understand the human motivations behind groundbreaking business decisions with host Amy Keene. |
0:14.6 | Listen to The Closer, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the HBRIBA cast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Sarah Green from Michael. Today I'm |
0:34.8 | talking with Joseph Botarocco, professor at Harvard Business School, and author of |
0:38.8 | the new book Managing in the Gray. Joe, thank you so much for coming in. |
0:42.3 | Great to be here, Sarah. So when you talk about in the gray. Joe, thank you so much for coming in. |
0:42.6 | Great to be here, Sarah. |
0:44.1 | So when you talk about managing in the gray and managing gray area decisions, what do you mean by that? |
0:49.9 | Is this sort of a lesser of two evils type choice or you know a situation where the |
0:54.4 | answer is not clear or is the question more you know is there a sort of |
0:58.2 | obvious right choice but it's more about do you have the fortitude to take that |
1:01.8 | path good question it's basically a situation do you have the fortitude to take that path? Good question. |
1:03.8 | It's basically a situation where the problem or the issues or whatever they are in front of you |
1:08.5 | are sort of profoundly unclear. |
1:11.4 | So they may look like lesser of two evils, but sometimes you're not sure what to |
1:15.2 | count is evil. In other words, there's always uncertainty in management decisions, of course. |
1:20.4 | But here, a lot of basic facts are just missing and you can't get a hold of them |
1:26.0 | And sometimes you don't know how to frame the problem either you know if you can frame a problem say it's a marketing problem or something you put it in a box and you often know how to deal with it. |
1:35.2 | And then the other sign is that people you work with look at the same situation and they disagree |
1:40.6 | about what ought to be done. So it's hard to be really precise about what a gray area is, but most people know what I'm talking about. They've been in them. |
1:49.0 | Yes, yes. Well, and you have a great line in the book that I think helps sort of speak to the type of problem and the general approach |
1:56.6 | Which is when you face a gray area problem at work you should work through it as a manager and resolve it as a human being. |
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