My favorite thing that Forbes does is they will write an article about a billionaire who has lost money.

And the story will always like lament them, you know what to be like the misfortunes of Jeff Baysos.

And they'll be like, Carlos Slim used to be one of the richest men in the world.

Now he languishes in 15 spots. I do think that's a that's the difficulty of

being human is that some of our progress is the fact that we are never satisfied.

Some of our progress lies in the fact that we're always yearning for more

and then the downside becomes that we create a false flaw.

You're listening to what now?

The podcast where I ch are interesting people about the

conversations taking over our world. And this week, ooh, what an interesting conversation.

Joining myself and Christina in studio is Yval Noah Harare.

If you've heard of Sapiens, you know who Yval is.

That was the book that completely changed people's ideas of how we organize society

and why humans have the power we do. Well his new book Nexus is just as contentious.

It focuses on a possible answer to what makes society work and what could break it completely.

The rise of AI, the war in the Middle East, the breakdown in communication between politicians and the people.

In this episode, we discuss it all.

As I often say, the only thing I love more than peeling back the layers of a story

is doing it with my favorite thinkers, and Yuval is indeed one of my favorite thinkers.

Whether you agree with him on everything or not, it's definitely going to set your brain on fire.

This is what now with Trevanoa.

Hey, it's Adam Grant, host of Work Life, another podcast from the TED Audio Collective.

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