It's so funny because when you look at the guys, that's never a topic of conversation. Yeah. What you look like? Yeah. Did you watch the football last night? It's never about, I'll watch your skincare routine. Whereas women walk into a room and because we've been taught to be pitted against each other. Yeah. Not always, but sometimes there's, oh my God, you know, I can't. It's a bit of a barrier. Yeah, yeah. and it shouldn't be there.

We should be trying to change that stereotype. always, but sometimes there's, oh my God, you know, I can't. It's a bit of a barrier. Yeah, yeah, and it shouldn't be there.

We should be trying to change that stereotype, believing that there is space for everybody.

Hello, welcome the HOOP collective podcast.

We talk about the NBA, which we're doing on Monday afternoon.

Everybody back in the country after being on international journeys the last couple of weeks.

Thanks for sticking with us.

Joining us from San Jose, California, his West Coast base is Tim Bonteps.

Hello, everybody.

Just back from the Canadian Rockies is Ban McMahon.

Howdy, partners. I did some hikings, kayaking, a little bit of whitewater rafting.

I feel like I'm just an outdoorsman now.

You know, whitewater rafting up in that part of the world, he gets pretty cold.

I know from experience, not that I have much of an outdoorsman, but I have done it up in Canada and that we had to wear wetsuits because it was, did you wear a wetsuit? Yeah. Wetsuits were wrong. When I did that, it was a long time ago, and they, they's like, everybody's got to wear a wetsuit. I was like, wait a minute.

What am I?

Let's reevaluate what I've signed up for here.

They're like, well, it's glacier melt.

You know, it's cold.

I was like, holy Moses.

Yeah.

So, all right, you're a real man.

Also, make. Yeah, my, my, the guide was a woman but yes did you go into the did you go into the

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