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Coffee House Shots

Mahmood's right turn, as migration figures revised – again

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

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πŸ—“οΈ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Economics editor Michael Simmons and Yvette Cooper's former adviser Danny Shaw join Patrick Gibbons to react to the Home Secretary's plans for asylum reform. Shabana Mahmood's direct communication style in the Commons yesterday has been praised by government loyalists and right-wingers alike, but her plans have been criticised by figures on the left as apeing Reform. Will her calculated risk pay off and how will success be judged?


Plus, as ONS migration figures are revised – again – Michael restates his appeal for more reliable data. And how could migration data affect the budget next week?


Produced by Patrick Gibbons.



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0:22.6

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0:35.8

Hello and welcome to Coffeehouse Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Patrick Gibbons,

0:40.7

and today I'm joined by Michael Simmons and Danny Shaw, former advisor to Yvette Cooper.

0:45.7

Domestic politics today seems to be dominated by two things, reaction to Shabana Mahmood's

0:49.9

asylum reform plans that she announced yesterday in the Commons and the continuing slow march

0:54.9

to Budget Day next week. Danny, I'll come to you in a minute on the policy, but Michael,

0:59.9

it appears that reaction from government loyalists and also broadly from the right of British

1:04.4

politics was pretty positive. Yeah, I mean, I think that the reaction to this new asylum plan that the government unveiled yesterday

1:12.7

is kind of how you would have expected.

1:16.0

It's fairly right wing in how it's in how it's been perceived.

1:22.3

It's certainly stronger measures than, you know, any Tory Home Secretary, I think, has tried to impose,

1:29.2

especially on the jewelry stuff. A lot of the criticism then has been sort of, as you would

1:35.7

expect from those on the left. You know, you've had Richard Bergen, people like that,

1:42.1

calling it out, saying that it's cruel and inhumane,

1:45.9

and Chabana and Secure Starmer are trying to sort of ape right-wing language.

1:52.2

The Tories see this as cynical, too.

1:54.5

At home office questions yesterday, Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, said that

1:59.4

Shabana was trying to bring in a one-in,

2:02.4

one-out policy for Downing Stratt, hinting that this is part of leadership ambitions.

2:09.1

But clearly the government felt that they had to do something quite strong on asylum and

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