MAGA's Vatican Cold War

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🗓️ 21 January 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Like the rest of us, Pope Leo, the first American Pope, is under siege by MAGA. We discuss MAGA's war on the "globalist," "culturally Marxist" Catholic Church with Colleen Dulle, Vatican reporter for America Magazine and author of Struck Down, Not Destroyed.

Christian Nationalists have captured the White House, Congress, and Supreme Court. Now they are targeting the Holy See. We track the strategy from Steve Bannon's "gladiator school" for disinformation agents to recently converted Catholic JD Vance using his faith to justify mass deportations and ICE terror squads. MAGA has launched a financial boycott of the Catholic Church, provided safe haven and amplification for its biggest crackpots, while deploying dark-money disinformation and a Fox News-style Catholic press to target reformers.

We also confront the Vatican's long history of abuse and gaslighting. We discuss the erasure of trans people and women leaders like Mary Magdalene, arguably the true first pope. We also look to what the first American pontiff, Pope Leo, will bring in this time of crisis, and whether he will continue Pope Francis's war on Opus Dei–the far-right human trafficking crime cult that gained prominence during Franco's dictatorship in Spain. Opus Dei has set up shop in Washington, DC, counting among its allies Vance and the Heritage Foundation's Kevin Roberts, architect of Project 2025.

Note: This conversation was recorded on June 17, 2025. Look out for our bonus episode later this week on the latest hellscape headlines!

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Show Notes:

Struck Down, Not Destroyed: Colleen Dulle's new book on keeping the faith while covering the Vatican's crises https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/struck-down-not-destroyed-colleen-dulle/1146546457

Steve Bannon's "Gladiator School" Evicted: How the far-right strategist lost his fight to turn an 800-year-old monastery into a training ground for culture warriors https://news.artnet.com/art-world-archives/steve-bannons-school-far-right-nationalists-officially-evicted-800-year-old-italian-monastery-leased-2007256

The Problem with JD Vance's "Ordo Amoris": A theological breakdown of how Vance manipulates the teachings of St. Augustine to justify ICE terror https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/02/13/ordo-amoris-stephen-pope-vance-249926/

Project 2025 Architect Linked to Opus Dei: The Guardian reveals the deep ties between Kevin Roberts, the Heritage Foundation, and Opus Dei https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/26/kevin-roberts-project-2025-opus-dei

MAGA Tries to Starve the Church: An investigation into "Peter's Pence" and how conservative groups are financially undermining the Church https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/12/12/vatican-misleading-donors-peters-pence-explained/

Gaslit Nation's Episode on Opus Dei: https://www.gaslitnationpod.com/episodes-transcripts-20/2024/12/31/opus-dei

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0:00.0	Welcome to Gaslit Nation. I am your host, Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the journalistic thriller, Mr. Jones, about Stalin's genocide feminine Ukraine, the film The Kremlin doesn't want
0:22.1	you to see, so be sure to watch it. This week, we're joined by Colleen Dully, a Vatican correspondent
0:27.9	for America Magazine and the host of the podcast inside the Vatican. Colleen is also the author
0:34.3	of the new book, Struck Down, Not Destroyed, Keeping the Fate as a Vatican
0:39.2	Reporter, an intimate look at covering the Vatican. Welcome to Gaslit Nation. It's really
0:44.3	exciting to have you here because big news, new Pope, American Pope, a lot to get into to
0:49.8	understand what's really going on in those halls of power in the Vatican. Yeah, no, no, no,
0:55.3	there's a ton going on. So, I don't know, where do you want to start? There's so much to get
0:58.9	into. Tell us about, so Pope Francis, correct me if I'm wrong, is considered one of the more
1:05.5	liberal popes in recent years. Yeah, certainly in recent history, for sure, for sure.
1:09.7	And there is an American-driven,
1:12.2	far-right conspiracy, let's say, to challenge him. Could you go into that? And there's even a link
1:19.1	to Bannon and Trump World. Yeah, sure. So the resistance to Pope Francis in the United States was
1:25.0	very, very strong. There are a number of great books written on this
1:28.3	by some of my colleagues. But essentially, as soon as Francis started criticizing unfettered
1:34.0	free market capitalism, this gained a lot of resistance from particularly wealthy Americans.
1:41.8	So kind of the global layout of the Catholic Church, it tends to be
1:45.2	the Americans and the Germans who have been the wealthiest churches. And they're the ones that
1:50.6	give the most to the Vatican. And because of that, have in the past felt that they had the right
1:56.4	to a kind of sway things. And for the Americans, a lot of the times that meant swaying things in a more conservative position in as far as that is a useful word when
2:05.7	describing church politics. And for the Germans, it's been in a more progressive position.
2:10.2	Same disclaimer on the phrasing there. When Francis starts talking about we need limitations on
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