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Hey everyone, it's Neilie Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and host of Decoder,

my show about big ideas and other problems. We have a special exclusive episode for you

that we're really excited about. It's an interview with Google CEO Sundar Pichai. I sat down with

Sundar during the Google IO developer conference this year to talk about all of the company's

major AI news, as well as the state of the industry, the future of the web, and Google's

ongoing antitrust trials. There's a lot going on in this one. I think you're really going to

like it. Check out Decoder wherever you get your podcasts.

Welcome to Reging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlov. Scott and I talk a lot about politics, of course,

and tangentially the impact it has on culture and vice versa. Today I'm joined by Wesley Morris, who's been thinking, writing, and podcasting about culture for decades.

He's a Pulitzer Prize winning critic at The New York Times, and in fact, he's the only person to have ever won the Pulitzer Prize for criticism twice.

He's also a great friend, and I'm thrilled to have him here.

And just to be clear, we recorded this conversation

on Tuesday of last week. Thank you for joining me, Wesley. I cannot believe I'm on this show.

Is it like career achievement better than the Pulitzer? Or? It's just like I'm sitting in your living

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