Welcome back to Hot Takes and Deep Dives. This is Jess and with me I have Tony Trieus who is the co-host of the Madonna podcast MLVC.

Hey Tony.

Hi Jess, thanks for having me.

This is going to be fun.

Now I hand select a Tony because I often cite the Christopher Chaconi book, Life with my Sister Madonna,

as the juiciest,

celeb tell-all that I've come across, period. the juiciest books. I really do love to dig into everything that's out there.

And you don't even have to be a super insane Madonna fan.

I think if you're just a fan of pop culture, in particularly if you're a fan of the 80s and the 90s, which is what the culture, how it was all happening

in New York City and LA and Miami, I think this is, it is candy for the soul.

I absolutely agree because after blonde ambition, but before music,

there was a barrage of these unauthorized biographies you know by people like

Tarabarelli and Andrew Morton you know these you know are supposed to be you know the

biographers of our time but not really because these books

sucked and they were full of misinformation they were full of you know rumors

you know things that like your pedestrian Madonna fan would call bullshit on and you know we just

wanted a Madonna dish tell-all but we weren't going to get one at least until Christopher decided to cash in and write a book about a sister and then it was like we're definitely going to get one because because this guy has an axe to grind right?

I mean I think we should start well I guess let's first introduce you.

So your podcast, MLVC, so you do it with your co-host, Stefan, who I also love.

And so how long have you guys been doing it? So we started the

podcast a week before the Madam X record announcement so it's been a little bit over a year and you know we

went into this with blind eyes we had no idea you know that the Madam X rollout was going to happen the way it would that the tour

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