Hello and welcome to the TIFO Football podcast. I'm Joe Devine and today I'm joined by Seb Stafford Bloor.

Hi Joe.

Hello, how are you?

Not very well.

Good. We were joined today by Ed Arons, who's an exciting young journalist, the age of 39.

That's not a good way to start, is it?

It doesn't even mean anything.

He recently wrote the book, Made in Africa,

the history of African players in English football.

And whilst I've only read the first half of the first chapter,

I already know it's brilliant because Sebs read the whole thing and told me it is.

Yeah, it is. It's absolutely fascinating. I mean, we won't cover the ground that we've gone over in the, in the chat. We're so interesting. Tell me about Ed's credentials. Well, actually,

I'll tell you a personal Ed story. I cover my first tournament with Ed Aaron. This sounds it sounds like a personal seb story i don't know you know you know how vain i am and you know how i like to kind of twist things to make him really about me um but he was um he's one of the senior journalists out in poland when i did the um under 21 fine on 21 euros and you sort of helped me with things like mix

zones and and print deadlines and stuff so he's a he's a good man at errands but he's

written an excellent book um I like to think of myself as a fairly well educated person on

football matters but I learned so much um and it was really interesting to chat to him about and find out some extra detail.

And, you know, just to hear some of his perspectives on them on more general issues

which afflict African players and development from, you know, in African football and

longevity and the way players are remembered.

It's a great chat.

I really enjoyed it.

The book comes out on the 1st of June, I believe,

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