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The Briefing with Jen Psaki

Maddow: Trump's attacks on immigrants serve a more sinister purpose

The Briefing with Jen Psaki

MS NOW, Jen Psaki

Politics, News, Ms Now, Versant Media, Versant

4.4975 Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Jen Psaki introduces viewers to Rachel Maddow's new podcast, "Burn Order," about Japanese internment in the U.S. during World War II, and points out that unlike Americans of that era, Americans now are being much more outspoken in support of immigrants and in condemnation of Donald Trump's anti-immigrant policies. Rachel Maddow joins to discuss Trump's use of anti-immigrant scapegoating as a means of giving himself more power.

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0:00.0

It's kind of the perfect night. It's kind of the perfect night any night to have Rachel Maddow here.

0:03.5

But tonight is really kind of the perfect night because not only does Rachel have an incredibly timely new podcast, I was just talking with Chris about, out that I have definitely been binging.

0:12.6

There are four episodes out now.

0:14.3

But just a few years ago, Rachel quite literally wrote a book about the corrupting influence of the oil industry on global politics, which

0:21.7

feels incredibly relevant today. Because today we learn that Trump once again escalated his

0:28.6

military aggression against Venezuela, this time by seizing an oil tanker off of that country's

0:35.0

coast. I've also got Senator Ruben Gallego of the Senate Armed

0:38.3

Services Committee standing by for his reaction to that news a little bit later in the show,

0:42.5

and Senator John Ossoff is going to come by to talk about Democrats' shocking win in his home

0:47.5

state of Georgia last night. And of course, what the heck's happening on the Hill with health

0:51.7

care as well? The point is we have an embarrassment of riches tonight, but I wanted to start with the news

0:57.0

that we unfortunately can't report today.

0:59.6

I wish we could because we didn't get widespread condemnation from the Republican Party

1:05.9

for Donald Trump saying this.

1:09.6

Why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right?

1:15.1

Why can't we have some people from Norway, sweet, just a few?

1:20.1

But we always take people from Somalia, places that are a disaster, right?

1:26.5

Filthy, dirty, disgusting, ridden with crime.

1:29.3

The only thing they're good at is going after ships.

1:32.5

I mean, first of all, that was a speech that was supposed to be about the economy.

1:36.1

But that was obviously just a repulsive and racist thing to say. And yet, with a few exceptions, just a few, barely a peep, not an even barely a peep from most

1:46.8

Republicans. And it made me think back to that time during Trump's first term. Remember when the

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