You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Karen Reed from the Hidden

Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

Let me back up and ask a different question.

Given the fact that you were the ranking officer, the way that it works in a police department

is everybody sort of reports up the chain of command, correct?

Correct.

That is correct.

So they would have all reported up to you in some particular.

That's correct.

And then of course you report to the, I think you're the deputy chief and then the deputy

chief reports on up to the chief, correct?

That is correct. You were involved in not only the

exposing of some of that blood byproduct, but also exposing the glass with the leaf blower, correct?

That is correct. You were responsible for utilizing certain equipment. You chose a leafblower

at the time, correct? I did, yes. There was also,

I'm guessing, there was also some use of your hands and or the gloved hands with some others to

recover some of the items. Yeah, I didn't use my hands. How did you get the glass into a bag?

That was Detective Sajalank. Somebody had to pick it up, right? Correct. That's what I mean.

The use of hands to manipulate some of the evidence, correct? Yeah, I apologize. I didn't understand that question. I thought you was speaking about me. It's probably my fault, not yours. No, that's okay. There was also some plastic cups that we've talked about. We'll talk more about those in a second. Those were utilized as well, correct?

Were, yes. And you were responsible for the use of those as well. Yes, it was my decision, yes.

In terms of the search of the scene, the recovery of evidence, the recovery of biological material,

the use of tools to recover those biological materials, all of that rested at least ultimately at the scene on your shoulders, correct?

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