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I don't, I don't know. Okay, so let's now go back to Exhibit 150.

What significance, if any, do you give to the various triangles that are on the hoodie?

Could you describe to the jury what those are and what's their

purpose? So the triangles are labels that were placed by either the police or the crime lab or

someone, and the point of the triangle generally is pointing towards a hole in the shirt.

As you can see, there are multiple ones here.

And I want to make sure that you don't confuse it with this rather large defect, which is caused by something else.

So let's start with each one, and we'll go through these quickly.

Let's start and zoom in on number one

what did you conclude about the source of that from the depended the hoodie

sustained did you evaluate what is depicted as number one in that slide as part of your review?

Yes.

And what was your evaluation?

Sustained. Let's go back in Zoom out.

Have you in your career examine clothing either as part of your forensic pathology practice or your emergency medicine

practice to determine the source of defects in clothing?

Yes.

How many times have you done that approximately in your career?

Several hundred.

And have you, in that, those several hundred times, have you ever had to reach a conclusion

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