You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Karen Reid from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

All I have to do is tell the truth. If it's not perceived to be fair, that's someone else's opinion.

Let's talk about that truth for a second.

What you told those law enforcement agents on August 9th, 2023, was, quote, you recalled seeing Higgins at the station later that day on Saturday.

Defer thought it was also weird that Higgins and Chief Kenny Berkowitz were by themselves

in the Sally Port of the police department, by themselves while Karen Reed's car was parked inside.

Higgins was a witness and present at the gathering

where O'Keefe was found dead outside,

and then he was in the presence of important evidence.

You were sitting at dispatch by yourself

and saw on the camera outside of the Sally Port when they walked in.

Objection to the entire reading.

So beyond the scope, so you have to keep it.

There's more to the statement, Your Honor.

Do you remember making that statement to the officers?

My recollection of the time was that, so yes.

Okay, great.

Did you go on to say, speaking of being truthful, did you go on to say, I'm objecting?

All right, so you have to ask differently, but I need to see you for a minute with this and bring that with you, please.

Okay. for a minute with this and bring that with you please. May I inquire? Yes.

Officer Devere, did you go on to say in that interview, quote, May I inquire? Yes. Thank you.

Officer Devere, did you go on to say in that interview, quote, you never saw them leave, them being

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