You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Karen Reed from the Hidden

Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom. As your friendship grew,

could you tell us a little bit about your relationship with John? John and I were very close.

We spoke on the phone and hung out.

He became very close with my husband as well because he was right down the street.

But we just, we just had a friendship, a very close friendship.

Tell us about the day-to-day activities and how you would try to assist John

with the children. Well, John moved across town. I don't remember when. I forget how many. Patrick,

I think, goes in fifth grade or fourth grade, and I would take him home with me on Wednesdays

because John would be working.

So it was more of a, you know, if he was at my house and my daughter needed to ride

the other side of town, he would take her with him.

We were just very close friends.

We did a lot together.

We would do baseball tournaments together.

We would have drinks together.

We would, you know, all the things friends do.

As you grew closer to John and helped with the children,

did you become closer with his family?

Yes.

And who specifically did you become closer with?

Mrs. O'Keefe and Mr. O'Keefe, his parents.

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