Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. Our guests today are author and speaker Lisa Turkhurst and

prison ministry volunteer Dorothy Urelas. Lisa Turkhurst is President of Proverbs 31 Ministries and the New York Times best-selling

author of Uninvited, The Best Yes, Unglued, Made to Crave, and 16 other books. Lisa candidly shares her journey to realizing that she was

good enough when she stopped letting her circumstances define her and began believing who

God says she is.

Hi I'm Lisa Turkherst. believing who God says she is.

Hi, I'm Lisa Turkhurst, and I'm an author and speaker,

President of Proverbs 31 Ministries, and what I'm really passionate about and what I love that I get to do is I love to teach the truth.

And in teaching the truth, I help women know the truth so they can live the truth because I know in doing that it will change everything.

Originally I'm from Florida which is kind of a funny fact about me because I've lived in North Carolina my whole adult life.

I remember as a child we would go to church every now and then.

My mom would take us. My dad, I think I have one or two memories of him ever going to church.

But after they got a divorce, my mom announced that we would be adding a little more church going to our life's

equation. And I think she was just desperate to help my sister and I deal with so much loss that we'd experience.

So I remember we grabbed the big family Bible

that no one ever read, but I think just maybe having it in our house made us feel better

about ourselves I don't know and we headed off to this large white steepled building and

I like the idea when we went to church those few times I like

the idea of having a set of rules to follow so that I could sort of know how to play this Christian game and so I

started viewing God kind of like a vending machine like God, if I follow your rules and I give you what is required,

then you are supposed to give me back a great life. And as long as I keep up with my end of the deal, God, you need to keep up with your end of the deal.

So at that point in my life, I kind of became Lisa the good girl and tried to reinvent myself in that way.

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